Friday, November 28, 2008

Homecoming Parade

I was once deeply disappointed to learn Bill Cork left the Catholic Church to return to Seventh-day Adventism. Now, I am comforted, knowing that he is doing so to secretly subvert Adventism from within. A few of his brethren have caught on that he is "an agent of Rome," a "sleeper cell," and a "tare" sown among the wheat. Another post on the same blog associates him with the "generation of vipers,"; he is also a "mouse" and a "'fringe' type," not to mention a "scoffer."

I can understand why he should "repent of his contempt for 1) scientific method [!], and 2) the Holy Bible," not to mention his "disrespect" for "Sister White." In all probability, "he would associate on an ongoing basis with ghosts, spirits, and demons." This is hardly surprising though. I think we all knew many of his recent writings contain "error."

It's late autumn, and no one puts on a homecoming parade like conspiracist Adventists. ;-) What a welcome.


Bill Cork said...

I should introduce them to Bob Sungenis. I think they'd get along great.

Hugo Mendez said...

No lie. *smirk*

Of course, the Jesuits control Sungenis' Freemasons. Significance? Hmm...

Anonymous said...

I for one would be delighted to find that Mr. Cork was an undercover Jesuit.
Fr. Jim

Anonymous said...

it seems to me that it's a trend to have something/someone be the next "plot to subvert" everyone to Catholicism... it a trend, or a subtle teaching of the SDA church?

bill - keep on doing what your convictions lead you to do.

Bill Cork said...

As I hinted at in my reply, there are enough conspiracy buffs in every denomination that we all have opportunity to shake our heads. For Robert Sungenis, and for the SSPX, it is the Jews who are behind everything (including the Freemasons, Capitalism, and Communism). I ran afoul of them when I noted Sungenis' use of antisemitic sources a few years ago (here).

Still said...

Common on people.. Let's be serious for a minute. Like it or not, conspiracies do exist. I could give you a few proven examples. Even in the Bible, there are examples of conspiracies. Granted, there are theories which seem to be farfetched but the strangeness of a claim should not be used as a criterion to dismiss its validity. Above all, let's not forget who we are here. We all are people dealing with the spiritual, even the supernatural. Yes, we call it religion but some people, like Richard Dawkins, call it delusion.

Could Bill Cork be an agent of Rome? Why not? It would be in the realm of possibilities. Now, is Bill Cork really an agent of Rome? That's another story. Only he could say (but if he is really an agent, will he really confess it?).

Anyhow, we know that the arch conspirator does exist and his name is Lucifer. From there, anything is possible.

I guess that we will be surprised once we are in heaven how many conspiracies were indeed true.

Matthew said...


I respect what you have to say. It is possible to go to the extreme where you begin to doubt everything and are thus easily deceived. But for some people it is easier to call someone a spiritual traitor than to deal with what they have to say. The fact that some people call Bill a Jesuit spy (*snicker) without any kind of "evidence" (uh...a Vatican License to Kill...eerrr save?) leads me to wonder how much of the Bible they really follow. When your eschatology trumps your ethics, it's time to reorganize your beliefs.

With that said, Hugo Mendez is most certainly a double agent. I don't think Fr. Jim and Brandon should be too comfortable with him, as he's still a vegan (technically?)...that's a dead giveaway that he's an SDA spy.

Lee Faber said...

honestly. The catholic church, and the Jesuits, have better things to do with their time than think about sda's, to say nothing of infiltrating them. The jesuits especially are far too busy spreading marxism under the guise of christianity and fomenting revolution in south america and beyond.

Anonymous said...

I have been to the Vatican and met a fair number of curial officials. They barely know the sda's exist. They are totally unconcerned. There is no conspiracy and those who think there is are basically insane.
Fr. Jim

Still said...

Veni, vidi, credidi...

Right, Fr Jim?

Anonymous said...

Still, Julius was not Catholic. Conspiracy theorists are simply nuts. The Vatican could care less about the sda's. If you have snuck into one of the secret meetings discussing world domination please let us see your evidence.
Fr. Jim

Anonymous said...

haha...well dont forget, even the little guys need to feel important..even if they aren't

still said...

Fr. Jim,

"Julius was not Catholic". Granted.

"Conspiracy theorists are simply nuts". Wrong (well, some of them maybe are. But labeling all of them as nuts is not sound. Don't forget that just dismissing is not proving. Also, many atheists, like Richard Dawkins, think that religious people are also nuts. Are they right just because they claim it?).

"The Vatican could care less about the sda's". Maybe (but maybe not. After all, if the Catholic church didn't care that much about the SDA's, they would not be that "hurt" by the SDA claims about the Church (according to the very words of Hugo on this blog). After all, who cares about the claims from a group which is "barely known by the curial officals" (according to what you said)? So maybe the SDA's are much more in the vision of the Catholic church than you think. Just a thought).

Anonymous said...

Still, they really don't pay attention. I can ask them specifically if you like. But we get criticism from so many it is hard to single sda's out. Those who do ARE hurt by sda lies about us. It is bearing false witness. I repeat my challenge: if you have evidence please present it.
Fr. Jim

Alex said...

I agree Father Jim,
The burden of proof is totally on SDA's who make these assertions. May your challenge bare much fruit.

Alex in Kansas

The Lady Dragon said...

I mean no offense to Mr. Cork, and feel somewhat strange discussing this in front of him, but everytime I think about him (not all that often) the following text comes to mind:

Hebrews 6:4-8
4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because[b]to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

7Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

If the SDA denomination is the true church and he abandoned it for the Catholic this text would suggest that he cannot return to the SDAs.

If the Catholic Church is the true Church and he abandoned it to return to the SDAs this text would suggest that he cannot return to Catholicism.

In fact looking at the some of the SDA comments about him, it would appear that at the moment Mr. Cork is neither fish nor fowel.

In light of Hebrews 6, what will ever become of Mr. Cork?

Anonymous said...

I guess asking for evidence and hearing the ensuing silence pretty much says it all eh?

Fr. Jim

Still said...

Lady Dragon,

I don't want to speak for Bill Cork but I am not sure that the text you mentionned applies to the honest person who is sincerely and truly searching for the truth. Discipleship is a progression and a journey. Wandering in one's quest for God is not a sin. Of course, it is possible to make mistakes and wrong choices along the way but it doesn't mean that one is far from God.

Don't forget that the closeness to God is not based on the denomination. And personally, though I am not one, I prefer a sincere Catholic living his faith in love than a non-Catholic believer boasting that he has the truth but at the same time seeming to forget what "loving God and one's neighbor" mean.

Alex said...

Nicely put Still. I totally agree.

Alex in Kansas